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a surgeon, are supported by the National Cancer Institute in their studies. The Cancer Institute specifically says, the legislation specifically says that we should give other support. We should seek international centers to aid. We are to make a worldwide effort.

Now, the extent of the worldwide effort isn't one of a few million dollars, a coupld million dollars, out of a budget last year of eight hundred and fifteen million. But they do take the trouble, or take some trouble, and there has been an arrangement with France, after Deeda and I, with the help of the French Ambassador and Mme. Viel I think I've told you about that -- have finally, it has been arranged that the French are to come here, their outstanding people in three areas are to come to the United States and consult and cooperate with Americans in the same areas. And they have some joint trials now, some joint efforts. It's on a very small scale, because the French don't want to spend more than about five hundred thousand dollars on it. But it does say something.

You got that indication when the President of France was here?

Yes. That's right.

That they were not willing to spend very much?

They were not willing to spend very much, but they were willing to do something. And they have brains, and they have ideas, and it can't help but, when there are some very good things to do, speed up either the things that they find or we find that will speed up the effort in both countries.

I think it's very encouraging that in specific areas there is