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would seem to be -- recommend anything for fear that they would be
attacked for some reason or another, because this was -- I don't know.
They're very timid. You know?
So it has to be done almost on a private basis?
Or is being done on that basis. Are you financing Dr. Gutterman
in this area?
Oh, very slightly. Very little.
Where did the friends come from, for example?
Well, M. B. Anderson has immense funds from the Cancer
Institute, and they have money to -- they have librarians that can
sort out the material, and Gutterman has really given his time to
doing it, because he himself is interested in what everybody is doing.
Congressman [L. H.] Foundain has held some hearings in June,
really on the national cancer program, really in order, in possible,
to discredit the American Cancer Society and the National Cancer
Institute, because the tobacco industry lobby uses him, as he is
the chairman of an oversight committee in the Congress and he comes
from North Carolina, which is the center of tobacco growing. And of
course they wanted to make everything that was done look as bad as
possible, and they went into all the correspondence between the Cancer
Society and the NCI, and they tried to make it seem that the head of
the Cancer Institute was getting too big a reimbursement from the
Cancer Institute, like twenty-two dollars more than was necessary
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