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new bill to provide more -- to provide a bigger appropriation schedule for heart, because we were limited by the authorization of only four hundred and seventy-five million, I think, the present bill. Nobody could ask for more than that. That's the idea of Rogers [Congressman Paul Rogers], who wants to put a cap on all these research efforts.

This is the first time you've mentioned Rogers. Now, is that --?

Paul Rogers.

I was interested in what he has been doing in the area.

Yes. Well, this meeting was to get a renewal of this five- year bill that is now coming due next year.

And this is something you instituted?

Pardon?

You instituted this meeting and paid for it, did you?

Yes, surely. But he arranged and asked the people to come, because if you get a better bill, especially with more money, you need to have professional organizations testifying for it. I can't just persuade Rogers alone by myself that we need up to a billion dollars to --

No, he's got to be responsible to the Congress.

That's what that was for.

How many doctors did you have?

Oh, about five or six, but they represented the key