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I supported him. Didn't he win in the primary? Yes.

Yes, he did.

Well, the Inauguration was fun to see on the television. It was terribly, terribly cold. I did go to the gala, which was loaded with country singers and a few other talented people. It was fun. I with Morris Schrier, but it was a whole new -- it was about a whole new set of people that nobody really knew -- it was a takeover from outsiders for Washington, you know?

How do you respond to a sort of a Georgia cracker atmosphere?

Well, I think been immensely skillful, but I think he's going to turn out to be as difficult about health money as Eisenhower or Ford or anybody else, and this distresses me, because I think that -- I think survival is the first thing you should look to for your people. No?

Why is this? Because of his insistence on balancing the budget? Is that the background of everything?

Yes. He's tremendously involved, but he still spent thirty billion dollars. He has a thirty billion dollar bigger budget than Ford had, so I don't see why, if he was able to bring himself to a thirty billion dollar bigger budget for other things, he shouldn't want to increase the chances for survival of the people of the United States. It's just something that -- this whole health field has lacked political umph.

This is hard to explain, isn't it?