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And they have been having medical conferences?

They've been having medical conferences.

With waht results?

You know, you can never be sure what results unless you were present at the conference and know the people, and find out what has happened.

But it's been extremely useful in bringing in -- the Americans and British had a conference on breast cancer this last June. And they've had heart conferences and another conference a year ago on cancer, and they've been -- they've had companies, major companies hold conferences, business conferences, and they expect companies that hold business conferences to make a large gift to the foundation. And they've been fairly successful in that.

So I think that it's been very well managed and is going extremely well.

And what role does (Lord) Geoffrey-Lloyd have in this?

He's really the manager of the whole thing. He's completely the one in charge. As he's no longer in the House of Commons, it gives him a lot to do.

What is he, a baron?

Yes, he's a baron.

Is he a life baron?