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dollars in 1946 to -- the Senate voted nine hundred and fifty million for cancer in 1978. Now, that's something. I mean, it's not what it should be. It costs us twenty billion dollars, to say nothing of the human misery and agony, but just as a stright business proposition, if you get an answer to cancer, you're saving twenty billion dollars a year. You'd think anybody could understand that, but --

It must be discouraging, however.

Oh, it's the hardest thing I've ever done in life. It's the hardest thing, because it's so hard to know what will appeal to them, and what you can say that will turn them around fast. Terribly, terribly exhausting. Very, very tiring and discouraging, because whatever they do is always not enough.

Well, also, personnel changes so rapidly in Congress.

You mean, they change their minds?

No, the continuity is broken by elections and all --

Oh, yes. You're always getting a new set of characters that have to be sold. Like, for instance, the loss of Peter Bourne in the White House. But Peter Bourne really was only interested in drug abuse, and now I can see that he was not very strict about the non-use of drugs. Or that's the way it seems. He wasn't really interested in the main things that kill and cripple people, such as diseases. Isn't that extraordinary?

Yes. It could be potentially quite damaging to the administration.