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Natcher is certainly, not going to take money from anybody, but he is not really interested in medicine and not knowing about it.

But Pepper is friendly with him, and Pepper hopes that he has got an agreement that Natcher will go for an earmarked amount of 20 million dollars for interferon, if he can get it with the Senate. Pepper himself --

You mean, a specific --?

Specifically. And Pepper says he's going to go to talk to Magnuson and to talk to Bayh about it, and if he does that, we've got a chance to get the words in. What I'm afraid of is that Pepper -- that they will say, “Oh yes, we've got that all done” -- but I'm sure that the agreement in the subcommittee's Senate report has not got any specific language. It's got strong language but not specific earmarking. Without specific earmarking, the character of the people who really don't want to get anything done but felt pushed by outside forces (including us) will want to show that they don't have to pay attention -- they will organize to put money on thymosin and 20 other things, and the whole thing will be watered down.