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Yes, but you were talking about the cancer hearings.

Now, Pepper was very moved by the interferon witnesses. There were three very good witnesses on interferon, and --

Whom did you have there:

Mrs. Krim, Dr. Mathilde Krim -- Dr. Hans Strander of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, and Dr. Jordan Gutterman of M.D. Anderson in Houston.

They were very moved by what they said, and Mr. Pepper was very moved and other members of the committee were very moved, and Pepper was prepared to offer an amendment on the House floor. However, another amendment failed the night he would have brought his up. It was an amendment by Joe Early (Congressman Joseph D. of Massachusetts) for an across the board increase in the National Institutes' appropriations.

That failed, and so Pepper didn't try to do it. However, he is friendly with the new chairman, Mr. Natcher, who succeeds Mr. Flood, the terrible chairman that we've had for the last ten years (Daniel Flood). Flood was absolutely a disaster, and who's in an unbelievably difficult scandal of taking money from various interests, and so he's been replaced by Congressman William H. Natcher.