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of the University of the State of New York. Now, I don't want to be on the board of trustees of the State of -- University of New York State because in order to do anything about it, you have to have political influence. The minute you get on it, you find out that they need hundreds of millions of dollars more than they have, and if you have no influence with Carey, you can't do one damn thing to help them.

So if I don't have influence with him about what will reduce the death rate of the people in the United States and of the state, I won't have any influence with him to get anything done about the state university's money, so --

-- that's good logic --

So I refuse to do that. I wouldn't do it anyway because it's not a thing in which I have unusual insight or ability. You know, I could see what the troubles were, and I'd see what they needed, but unless I had clout with him, I couldn't get anywhere.

No. Tell me about the privisoes in this bill.

These things are always a matter of either management, personalities or money -- and it's usually money. You know, in very big efforts like the University of the State of New York.