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I interviewed Mr. Ferrer, the health officer of the city, and he was totally opposed to doing anything about it.

Why?

He said he didn't have the money. He has only 102 million dollars for the health of New York City. He couldn't do anything.

I think you can do a lot with 102 million. Well, anyway --

If I supported Koch believe me he would have done alot about it. (Mayor Koch)

You also said you planned to get the director of the effort, David Momrow, interested or active in this area.

Yes, well Momrow is the director under the Health Commissioner of the State. Momrow is director of the high blood pressure education program of the state. Momrow will not do anything of any kind until he finds that the governor is going to support it. He will give out the federal money that Mike Gorman and I have lobbied to get out of Congress, and we're going to get about something between 17 and 22 million dollars for the national effort, and the state ought to get another $500,000, whether we get any money from Carey or not. But this is tiny money. It isn't going to make a real impression on the state. You know, that's just -- the state needs to spend about 90 million dollars a year, and you'd find that the deaths from heart and stroke would go down like 50 percent. Further. Can you believe that? It's an incredible kind of --