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There's been a lot of talk in the last few months about a national health program.

President Carter's as compared with Senator Kennedy's?

Yes, and I was about to ask, what is your position vis-a-vis the two of them?

My position is that Senator Kennedy is right, and that a bill will be traded off between Senator Kennedy and more conservative people, and eventually in the next few years we will eventually get some kind of a national health program.

That's the prognosis.

That's my prognosis.

But as of the immediate future, you don't see it.

I don't think anything is going to happen immediately, because I think we've got too much other trouble. Don't you?

Yes, I do indeed.

In the form of energy. It's going very slowly.

Now we've changed the subject to awards and new thrusts in medical research, and I assume that this has bearing on the Lasker Awards for this coming November.

Yes. I've never, in my entire experience of 34 years