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children, and they don't want to give it up in August. And that's the only time I need it.

Well, going back to the subject you introduced with the British medical people, do you anticipate any change in the atmosphere in Britain now with the new government of Mrs. Thatcher and the effort to encourage business, private enterprise?

I don't know what to think about it. I've asked Geoffrey Lloyd, does he know her? He does know her. He doesn't know her intimately, and nobody seems to know whether she has any interest in health problems or not. I think rather not, because if she had any, I think we would have heard of it.

I just don't -- I don't know what the picture's going to be, but I hope to find out when I'm there.

That will be interesting to find out, then. What about cooperation between other doctors and American doctors, NIH? You've talked about that in the past, some of the Italian doctors, the French doctors.

Dr. DeBakey of course is always willing to train people from other countries. He is at this moment in Morocco, consulting with the King of Morocco because the King of Morocco wants to have a fine medical center.

Rabat or where?