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No, but they did a beautiful job in San Antonio, you know, in the city.

The city has taken over this park, have they?

The city, San Antonio, built buildings and a walkway along the -- along a little tiny river -- and they use it beautifully. In Austin it's a hugh river, and thpy've been making this park for some years, and it's far from being really finished. You know, the city, there's nobody there except Mrs. (Lady Bird) Johnson who really sees the potential of it. They all enjoy it, but nobody wants to put up money, including the city itself. They don't put up real money. They could make it a dream for, let's say, five million dollars. They could make it much better for two million. It's five miles long on both sides. You know, that takes a lot of planting.

Yes, I should say. You say you haven't seen Lady Bird Johnson?

Well, I've seen her, but --

Has she been up here this summer?

She was here once. But she's been very upset because her daughter is going to get a divorce. And she's -- I asked her here for the 4th of July. She said she couldn't come because of her daughter's birthday or something, so I just haven't happened to see her.