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it was found out by Dr. Strander in Sweden, who also got some, that it was 20 to 60 percent less potent. Now that makes terrible confusion.

Yes. It doesn't work out with coffee, freeze dried, so why should it work out with interferon?

Frozen dried coffee isn't good?

I don't think so.

You mean it isn't as potent?

I prefer the real.

I see!

Now you mentioned last time that Merck was trying to make an interferon inducer rather than interferon itself.

They were. Now Dr. Hilleman - Dr. Hilleman of Merck, who is a very, very clever man -- hated to give up the inducer business, but he also is very cagey, and he doesn't tell us what he is doing now. Nobody knows, and nobody will say what he is doing. Nearly every other drug house will tell us in a general way what they are doing, because they never know but what we'll tell them