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in advance by the National Institute's staff. And this shows a way that if states would institute state clinics for high blood pressure in hospitals where people were regularly followed, and which in many cases would be adjusted to suit their needs regularly, you would get an increase of 20 percent fewer deaths -- a decrease of 20 percent in deaths.

A very imaginative approach in experimenting. Now the problem would be to get the states to do something about it. You had such difficulty with New York State.

We had difficulty with New York State, and we've had difficulty because the federal funds that we've gotten are not supposed to be routinely used for treatment -- they are supposed to be used for education and referral. Well, that's just exactly what does not do the maximum job of really referring them to a place where they will be treated and followed up.

Now where did that instruction get written into the law -- in the Congress?

It got written into the law in the Congress because the AMA or some group went to Rogers and Kennedy's staff and said theat they didn't want to have treatment in this thing, that it should be just a referral business for the