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They're just getting into it.

Yes. When we thought that by a year from now we'd know more, we've got more and we know less I think...for sure, clinically, anyway, which types of cancer could be controlled on cured.

It gets more involved.

But at least twenty investigators have pure leucocyte interferon -- cloned leucocyte interferon -- from Hoffman-LaRoche, as of now, and the phase one trials have been done by Gutterman and Memorial; and phase two, which is the phase in which you try for therapeutic results, is about to start at M.B. Anderson... but just for clone A of leucocyte interferon, clone A. I don't know -- this would be boring. . . If I read about this about antibiotics, I would be interested in it; but there are relatively few people in the world that will be interested in the future. They'll be interested in what has happened with it. But the detail of it will bore most people, but there will be some people that would be interested in it.

I'm sure there will be. Well, now, what about Schering?

Schering is still suppnting work in if. They're trying to get hold of Bilcek's immune interferon because they know that Hoffman-LaRoche