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small amount of interferon in a bottle, which I can show you. (laughs)

I'd like to see what it looks like.

I'll get it for you.

No, no, no, not now. Later.

Okay. All right, on high blood pressure I am distressed because in '80 and so far in '81 we are not... the death rate has not, in heart or in stroke, lowered from what it was in '79.

Oh, it has not gone down.

No, and I don't know whether this is because there was more flu of a devastating nature and that people who were fragile anyway with heart attacks and cancer died more frequently, but it has leveled off. It has not seriously gone up, but it has not gone dramatically down.

But it did for several years, went down dramatically.

It went down dramatically, dramatically. Now I'm worried, and I should before going to Europe have a meeting with people