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about her time in the Carter Administration. But she, too, wasn't in the least interested in health problems. She wasn't hostile to the treatment of high blood pressure, but she wasn't interested at all. As far as I could see, she wasn't interested in any health problems. The only thing she was interested in was getting jobs for blacks in the Department. Now, that's admirable, but it's not enough.

No, it's a limited perspective.

All right, that's I think more or less what I can do about that.

What about the current Secretary, Schweiker?

The current Secretary is by all odds the most interested in health Secretary that we've ever had. He was on a Senate appropriations sub-committee on health, and he is really interested in the subject and has some grasp of it.

Good. Now, are you going to talk about appropriations?

Though I've been watching diligently, the appropriations have not been marked up so far this year. We saved about $15 million for the state programs for high blood pressure. But the research appropriations have not been marked up and won't be