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They're extremely energetic in this whole area. I wouldn't be surprised if they would make some major advances, because they're not as dumb about it as a lot of people right here. But now it turns out (the French found it out) that they've been very backward in the development of genes, in work with cancer genes or genes generally, and learning how to close genetic products. And the government says is that they're going to put more money into medical research, because they finally felt that they're behind. I'm delighted.

They had to find out for themselves.

Yes.

Well, the Japanese, of course, have they been more forthcoming in saying precisely what they are doing and what kind of results they are getting?

Well, you know, it's pretty hard to get anything translated from Japanese that you can understand. That's one of the things. They don't write original papers in English usually, and then the Japanese medical paper is printed in English, but I haven't gotten one and they may not. They may just print it in Japanese. And other medical journals don't translate from the Japanese.

Oh, yes, so that is one of the major problems in learning what