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anything to say about it.

But you're at least holding your ground by doing that.

Yes.

Talking about appropriations leads right into politics, and you were going to say something about the Reagan Administration and its policy of cutting down on expenditures of this sort. What is the prevailing attitude?

Well, the prevailing attitude is to continue cutting. And we're going to have great trouble if we get the Arthritis Institute out of the House and Senate -- you know, pass it. We have to go to Reagan for a signature, and he may well veto it. That's the current possibility. So you can see it's not very good.

Well, what about the current future of medical research per se in terms of the Administration policy?

Anything that costs more money they don't want to do anything about.

How potent is Secretary Schweicker?

Well, not potent enough. He's naturally more liberal than