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weren't getting the results that we should clinically. He said “Give me a memo” and I appeared with it on June 15. He used it at once and called the NIH director and individual institute directors to them, what were they doing to save lives?

I recall, in his remarks he practically quoted your memo.

Yes. The NIH snow job, as I told you, and as I told him it would be, but it reoriented the institute directors a little. not Shannon, however, who has really been fighting with doubletalk ever since. my great hopes is that he will really retire in August and not just get another job, to make more confusion for us.

What is his real opposition?

He's just really afraid of clinical research. He was involved in the polio vaccine testing program, when there were, I don't know, 20 or 30 children who died from defective vaccine, the Cutter vaccine, do you remember that story, at the time of the manufacturing of polio vaccine? The Cutter Company made some defective vaccine and there was a great deal of trouble, nationally, about the death of 30 or 30 children. Well, this is a tragedy, but it's prevented the deaths of tens