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Interview II - #7

Today I'm sure this Interview is going to be an inspired one, because you're sitting bencath that most beautiful painting of Van Gogh 's of the White Roses, and that should be more than an inspiration to you. You're going to talk first about the NIH.

About the NIH appropriations, and about the management of the NIH. I think first I'll talk about the management. Since about 1956, '55 or '56, Dr. James Shannon was the director of the National Institutes of Health. He was a man who had certainly a high IQ. He'd come from being medical director of Squibb. Sheele made him director of the National Institutes of Health to about 1955.

At this time, the National Institutes of Health had a budget of only -- that would be fiscal '56 to 69 a total budget only of 97 million dollars. It was a substantial amount of money but this time it has grown 15 times, including money for training for intramural research for construction of