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research facilities, and construction of community health centers
under the National Mental Health Institute.
Dr. Shannon, either because he himself was against clinical
research or feared that it would get the Institutes into argument
or trouble, or because he was afraid that the pharmaceutical
industry was really opposed to clinical research on a scale
because it sale of some of their most
-- might outdate some of their favorite products -- was totally
against clinical trials on a scale.
Do you think this was a point of view acquired at Squibbs?
I don't know whether he got this point of view from
Squibbs. I think it was partly that he was very supercilious
basic research he realized that if you talked about basic
research, very few people could judge whether you were making any
progress or not, whereas if you were interested in clinical research,
either the clinical research succeeded or it didn't, and it
was a way of getting your paper marked It would be clear
whether you were failing or succeeding much more rapidly.
In any case, he was terribly opposed to ever finding out
whether any of the research that was being done would benefit the
people of the United States, who were paying the bill for research.
Did you have honest to goodness discussions with him on this
subject? Did you try to dissuade him from his point of view?
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