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Lindsay was singularly perverse and has been very, very slow about the use of methadone. All kinds of crazy reasons have been given by people, not doctors, saying that well, - people should have the moral guts to go off it themselves. They shouldn't have to have a crutch. That's like saying people should not get syphilis, they ought to have the moral stamina not to get it and so consequently we shouldn't use penicillin. Isn't it something?

Anybody who's ever had anything to do with drug addicts knows....

-- they know that's crazy --

-- no amount of will does anything about it.

So we have tried to be helpful to Dr. Dole and Dr. Nyswander in getting Federal money for their projects. Actually, the Mayor got some National Mental Health Administration funds for the -- what's the name of the big project there?

In Brooklyn?

Yes, big new housing project. At any rate, Lindsay got Mental Health Institute funds for a large housing project in Brooklyn at Bedford Stuyvesant without putting any city money into it at all and