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You dont appear. Isn't that the history of much of it?

Yes, sure, but Yarborough wanted me to be the chairman of the commission, which would have been a disaster, because it wouldn't have gotten as much serious attention, I wouldn't have gotten the work done as quickly, and I'm not as good a chairman. What's more we made another new friend, which is very important.

One interesting thing, as I look at the roster of names which you instigated, more and more included in projects of this sort are the representatives of labor unions. Now, this was not true a few years ago, was it?

Oh yes, it's always true when I have anything to do with anything where they can use their lobbying power. But I'm just hoping that they will help us. I don't know that they'll help us. This may not be as high a priority for them as I think it should be. I don't know either of these men actually. I just know that they have the power to do something when they -- and I know that labor should be involved.

The motivation for many people necessarily becomes a personal motivation, doesn't it?

That's right. Nearly everybody's had some personal experience. Because 34 million of us are going to die of this disease and 50 million are going to have it, unless new treatments and cures are