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Q:

To get back to the decision, you mentioned the publisher made the decision, and that would indicate-

Oakes:

Wait. The publisher made the decision on the national security issue.

Q:

Yes. In other words, if you have a reporter and he gets it, it's not for him down at that level to make the decision; he sends the stuff in the most confidential manner he can. He calls it to the attention of those in charge, but he doesn't decide, “Well, I'd better not show this to anybody because -”

Oakes:

Well, you don't generalize on this in the way your question suggests, because this is, in the first place, exceedingly rare. This is very high-level stuff. The only kind of person that would get this kind of material would be someone like Hanson Baldwin or Scotty Reston, as I recall-I'm speaking now from memory which may be wrong. My recollection is that Reston got some information at a very high level on the basis of which this decision was made, in consultation; he would naturally consult with the publisher on this. This is not something that happens every day; it happens under very acute and critical and rare conditions.

Baldwin a couple of years ago published something that the Administration felt was very damaging to national security. Now, Baldwin published this one without consultation; in other words, he simply ran it in a column, in his article, without consultation. He, himself, did not feel that it was-he made this judgment on his own. Now, if he had felt, I think, that there had been any real question at the time he ran this, I'm quite sure he would have





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