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circumstance, the publisher would be called in, and he would put in his say. But the normal thing really is a two-man decision between the editor in charge of the page, and the man who's writing the piece. In a disagreement there, I think that it's only fair and true to say the editor wins; namely, I would win, but, of course, I'm not arbitrary, and neither is Mr. Raskin, who stands in for me when I'm not there.

--specifically I think about the busing situation.

These decisions are made essentially by two people; the man who's writing it and the editor in charge of the page, and they're worked out together. On a busing situation, let's say, I would work this problem out with Fred [M.]Hechinger, who does most of my New York City education editorials. I would in this case, also, bring into the discussion Mr. Ogden, who is on the editorial board and who does a great deal of work in this field, too. So there will be three of us who would work out what we thought was right. In a matter of this importance to the city, since you mention this specifically, this is a very important matter and I think, without any doubt, I would show this piece, if not discuss it more or less fully, with the publisher, because this isn't just a minor detail, the question of how or what attitude we're going to take toward the Board of Education and its handling of this issue. This isn't a minor matter; this is a major matter in New York. The safety of this city can depend on this thing. So you happen to hit something that is a very touchy matter even though it might sound technical and small. That's the way this would be worked out. I would work with Hechinger and Ogden, in this case, two of my colleagues-Hechinger, by the way, not being a member of the editorial board, but the education editor of the Times, who actually contributes a great deal to the editorial page.