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of the various bombing attacks. We had one very emotional editorial dealing with what we felt was an unnecessary bombing, unnecessarily aggressive attack in Vietnam.

I want to point out that we hit on the exact reference, in Gay Telese's The Kingdom and the Power, on page 444.

That's right. This was the end of 1966, when I happened to be out of town the day that that editorial was put in the paper. It was a weekend. At any rate, so I hadn't actually read that editorial.

Incidentally, on those occasions, Abe [Abraham H.] Raskin was -?

Abe Raskin would normally, almost always-of course, there were rare occasions when he would be away also, but that was really quite rare. Normally, if I was not there on weekends, normally I would turn the page over to him. Incidentally, much of the material that we would run over a weekend, I would have already edited. But there obviously were always one or two editorials, and not usually very many more, that were written on the weekend and that Abe would have to be the editor of. This was one of them, written by Herbert Matthews, in a highly emotional tone, and I say this, while I of course would always take the responsibility for anything - this is my basic point, that I would always take the responsibility for anything that appeared on the editorial page of the Times - there were occasions, and this was not the only one but this was the most dramatic one, when editorials did appear that I hadn't read, exactly under these circumstances (a weekend when Raskin was in charge), which I myself would have edited down much more severely.