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Yes. He was a member of the editorial board with me for quite a few years. I got him onto the editorial board - and when Raskin retired, I made him assistant editorial editor, editor of the editorial page. My close colleagues, to whom I would make this kind of comment, that I've just made, expressing concern about it, would be those two individuals particularly. Probably no one else.

Right. Now, who else was on your -

Well, Raskin was the first person, after I came into the position in 1961 -

You conscripted him into the editorial department.

I asked him if he would come on, and he was my closest colleague and an absolutely superb guy, who, occasionally, when I was away, as we have already discussed, got me into a little trouble. Of course, he saved me a lot of times from trouble, too, by some really superb editorial - I think the world of him, but I just have to say that Abe sometimes would let expressions, not so much the basic position, but phrases get through that I would not have let through, and for which I had to take the rap. But this again is part of my job, and I don't really object to - beg pardon?

Sort of part of journalism, like the trouble Horace Greeley got into about “On to Richmond,” when he was back in Chappaqua because he'd cut himself up -

Trouble that -?