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I remember, either at that time or in a subsequent discussion, Orvil saying to me that, as I talked about the idea of an Op-Ed page - because that is indeed what I had raised and came back to, in discussing this with Orvil -

Did you call it the Op-Ed page then?

To the best of my recollection, yes. But as I say, I have no documentation. To the best of my recollection, yes.

That's the old New York World -

Exactly, because I was of course aware of the old New York World's famous Op-Ed page, known by that name, and I believe that I used that name. But of course, my idea was something totally different from the New York World's, which was light verse and (Franklin P. Adams') columns and of course a marvelous page of world writers and critics. This wasn't my idea at all. It was simply to have a page of commentary or at least two or three articles every day, a forum, a kind of forum on a formal and more extensive scale and on a more coherent basis than the Letters column would be.

Let me ask you this, John. Was there any feeling on your part this should be a kind of safety valve to express views contrary to those of the editorial page, or no?

This certainly evolved in thinking and discussing it.