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This would have been after he'd been managing editor.
What I'm trying to find out is what your relations were at the beginning of this.
Oh, excellent. Absolutely friendly.
Did you know him on sight when he came -?
Oh, my yes. Oh, hell yes. I knew him. They'd been very friendly. I mean really
very friendly, ever since I, my wife and I went to Poland in 1959, when Abe was our
correspondent in Warsaw, and he couldn't have been more cordial, and we got on absolutely
beautifully. I think that certainly wasn't the first time I'd ever met him, but it was the first
I'd spent a lot of time with him.
What were you doing in Poland?
Well, I was on a fellowship in France, living in Paris at that time. I had a Carnegie
- the Carnegie Corporation used me as a guinea pig, in an experiment that they invented,
to send newspaper people in this general field abroad to a place of their own choosing for up
to a year, to just, as the phrase went, “broaden their horizons.” And I had this marvelous
fellowship which I was the first one ever to be given. And it continued (with other fellows,
each for a year) for several years afterwards. The Times did allow me to go, and I lived
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