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Then also comments that I was making about editorial-type commentary in the news columns, which I thought ought to be in Op-Ed if they were anywhere.

OK, we'll put this in the record.

Well, just to get back to where we had a certain diversion, I'm afraid, that you seduced me into talking about Abe Rosenthal, but -

Well, to pick up on the impasse on the Op-Ed page, that's through '69.

Yes, exactly. And I think it's very important at this point to state that on November 3, '69, I sent to the publisher a memo which stated that while he, the publisher, was in Europe, and here I'm quoting, “I had a very satisfactory discussion with Abe Rosenthal on this subject of Op-Ed. He strongly believes in the necessity of an Op-Ed page- -” and that's of course very important “--as I do, on the ground that articles of the type that we have in mind would raise the quality of the paper's content, and space for outsiders' views in particularly essential now because of our semi-monopolistic position.” These were points made in that memo, and perhaps I ought to give you that memo too. That's November, '69.

So from that time on, the thing was rolling again, and Punch, on February 8 - no, I'm sorry, excuse me -