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relieved of duty because of physical -- he overexerted himself in mounting guard or doing something or marching too far. But anyway, he was in uniform and that was something very important to him.

So all these things are part of the background. And on the intellectual side, my father as I had said really had never formally completed his university education. But he did get an honorary A.B. on his 50th anniversary in 1930. But in the meanwhile, he so much wanted to get not merely an A.B. but an advanced degree, too, that he enrolled in the 1920s -- when he would have been in his 60s -- in the Columbia School of General Studies for a Ph.D., doctorate degree. And I still remember him going up to Columbia several evenings a week - - I don't remember how often it was -- for lectures in American history. He had completed his necessary classroom work at Columbia in American history and he was working on his thesis, which dealt with Andrew Jackson, of whom he was typically a great admirer because Jackson was such an activist --

Right.

Although I don't think he would have been very sympathetic to Jackson's populist politics, he was sympathetic to Jackson as a dynamic and activist individual. And he was in the process of writing his thesis for a Ph.D. at Columbia on Andrew Jackson when he died in 1931, before he'd gotten his Ph.D. -- but he'd completed all of his courses.

Right.