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This is sort of indicative of the kind of person he was. He was a big influence on my life, in many ways, partly because of his strong belief in acting according to what he thought was right. I was and am a great admirer of my father.

He took my brother and me on a couple of big trips to Europe a few years before he died. But typically, again, he first took us both on two big long trips out West, one to Colorado, where we stayed at a dude ranch at Estes Park, and the next year across Canada to California, obviously all by rail, and we made a big circuit both times. This was in the middle '20s -- because he wanted us to see America first --

Oh, that's so interesting.

-- before we got to Europe. And then for a couple of summers after that we went with him to Europe -- my aunt never went with us on these long trips as they were too strenuous for her. We went two successive summers, '27 and '28, I believe, with my father on grand tours of Europe. But we saw America first, and this was absolutely characteristic of his viewpoint. So I guess that's the background on that, probably more than you or anybody else wants to know. But anyway --

No. It's very appropriate.

Unless you have any further question. And I guess that was the kind of influence that motivated me on two or three different things. Oh, yes. I should say one word. My father was so strong on education -- so strong on education and learning that -- that on one