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way, no member, certainly not my father nor my uncle Adolph were reactionary types as we would call them now. But they certainly were more conservative than I. Although, I think my father in his younger days, when he was the Mayor of Chattanooga -- He certainly was progressive. Let's put it that way. He wasn't an arch-reactionary, and he did an awful lot in cleaning up and improving the management of the City of Chattanooga in the two terms he served as Mayor. But he certainly wasn't radical, he was conservative, a “gold Democrat” -- and he became a Republican after that. I think I discussed that earlier, when you were asking.

You did.

As I was growing up my father was conservative enough, certainly, to be a Republican, and supported, in his own views, all the Republicans through the 1920s, and I think perhaps got increasingly conservative, really. Adolph Ochs, certainly, was on the conservative side too, in terms of political views. Auntie, Nannie Ochs, was the one member of that generation who, I think, tended to be more socially liberal than anyone else. The reason I say that is that as far as I remember, she was the only member of that generation, who was a strong supporter of Franklin D. Roosevelt. That indicates something.

Iphigene was not?

Now remember, I said of that generation. That's the previous generation --

I understand.