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Yes. I don't have the exact date. I apologize.

It was certainly no later than the early, sometime in the early '70s.

It was '70 or '71.

Yes. Exactly. Well, that's all that I mean. I was just trying to place the time. The answer to your question is: sure, I was surprised at the depth and extent of the deception, although I will have to say that for at least eight years, at least, before that -- let's say 1970 is the date of that -- But anyway, for more or less a decade before that, we had editorially been from time to time criticizing the administration, whether it was Johnson or Kennedy. I think even in the latter Eisenhower administration. We had certainly, at least during the entire '60s certainly, were criticizing the administration for not being candid at one time or another, in one specific instance or another, with the American people. We wrote that quite a few times in our editorial page, especially during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. And so I can't say that I was naive enough to think that the government would never hold back secrets, but the extent and the depth of this was, I guess, a surprise and a shocker, yes, yes. But I want to emphasize the fact that I was very critical editorially of the lack of candor -- you brought up one instance just a little while ago. But on many instances we were critical. And particularly, of course, during the Johnson and [Richard Milhouse] Nixon administrations.

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