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But he hadn't indicated that at that point. No. It was only in -- I think it was actually within --

April, maybe?

[going through papers] Just a second. It was in the -- let me read to you a couple of sentences from the long memorandum that I had dictated for the file, in which at the time, in May, in early May, May 13th, 1976, I dictated to my file, and I've never shown or spoken about this memo to anyone before this minute, to anybody connected -- to anyone, as a matter of fact. Except my wife, I guess. But I can answer your question best from reading a few notes, a few extracts from this long memo to the file, which, as I understand it, will be added to this oral history, this oral conversation, as a memorandum.

Yes.

Added to this, as kind of an appendix. It's quite a long memo. But the answer to your question would come to this [reading]: “I was quite startled that A.O.S. [Punch] now [March 25th] informed me that Frankel was his choice.” Well, I've already discussed that with you. “He explained the timing of the decision now” -- of his decision that Frankel was his choice, not that I would have to retire early -- nothing about that. But he explained the timing of the decision now “on the grounds that he had also decided to unify the Sunday and daily news departments and that he had come to the determination within the last few days that Rosenthal [Abe Rosenthal] would be the managing editor of the new, unified news department.”