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I noticed in one area you were critiquing Kennedy in terms of resumption of nuclear tests and connecting the nuclear tests to your concern with the environment.

I was criticizing Kennedy?

On the resumption of nuclear tests.

Yes. When was that, did you say?

That was in September '61.

In September '61.

Obviously.

Well, I don't take back a word of that. But when I was thinking of environment, I really was not thinking of environment in the nuclear sense. I mean, that's a different --

Right. That was one of the things I was trying to piece together, is when did you start to bring those two kinds of concerns together in your own thinking?

You mean --

The nuclear tests and their effect -- did people know about their potential impact, negative impact on the environment? And were groups like the Sierra Club addressing those issues?