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But I'd like to hear your thoughts on Reagan and Bush because it was so interesting to watch the way you went after them on the environmental issues and connected them to other parts of their political agenda. Reagan and Bush.

And who went after?

And that you connected their beliefs on the environment to other parts of their political agenda.

Oh.

We can talk about that. But before we get into that, I would like to talk to you a little bit about Westway, just because it's a local story.

Westway.

You know, you described to me over lunch one day --

Do you want -- are we on the record now? Oh, sure.

And how your views changed about that and Ada Louise Huxtable and --

Yes. Didn't I --

You told me off-tape.