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realize how close Seoul, this huge, huge city, was to that dividing line, really only a few miles away, up in the mountains, between South and North Korea. It was very illuminating. I wrote all about that, too, for the Op-Ed page.

Anyway, I was a great believer in traveling and getting first-hand information. Not only myself but my editorial staff. I encouraged them whenever possible, and continued, always with my wife, my own travels during the time I was writing Op-Ed pieces, i.e. from early 1977 until 1990-1.

Moving back a little toward the Reagan-Bush era --

Yes, we've gotten a little --

Yes. I'm glad we got to talk about that. But in the Bush era, I was struck particularly by one of your pieces on his presence at the Rio earth summit. I suppose that was 1991? The earth summit there.

The Rio summit?

I think it was 1991. I'm not sure. Or 1992.

Or '92. Let's see. Bush was elected in '88, wasn't he? Had to be.

The summit was maybe in the spring of '92. I think you're right.