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never laid a hand on anybody, never carried a weapon. She had no weapon but her tongue, but that was terrific, apparently. She embarrassed the employers almost to death, just because she was a woman. The employers didn't like to have an old woman get killed, get hurt, or get treated rough by the police.

At any rate, she had always had a reputation among the mine workers and in other labor circles. The Colorado situation was so much in the public eye. There was a terrible rumpus raised in New York about it. She had become a well-known character through the daily press.

When the Walsh Committee came to New York to hold a hearing they held it in the old Board o Estimate and Apportionment room in the old City Hall, a very handsome, dignified, beautiful room, with white paneled desks and a high rostrum. The witness stand was up four or five steps, but not as high as the place where the members of the commission sat. The press sat in a sort of well down below, with a railing around it. Then the audience sat in church-like pews.

They held hearings there for as much as a week. I went to all of them. I was with the Consumers' League or the Committee on Safety. I was concerned and interested in what was going on. I guess I had provided some information on New York condition which was being used by one of their counsel. I had always had a kind of favored seat way up front in one