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good man. I met him on more than one or two occasions and he was certainly an interesting personality, but I should not have said that he was for social work. He felt it was a palliative and ridiculous. Hillquit was regarded, however, as a solid person and an able citizen.

I knew the Stokes family - Anson Stokes, James Graham Phelps Stokes, Helen Stokes, Harold Stokes, etc. - on a personal basis. I knew that J. G. Phelps Stokes went around the country making speeches, but he just seemed to be a pleasant oddity who was all right, and Anson Stokes certainly wasn't a Socialist. J. G. Phelps Stokes was certainly a sincere man. John Spargo, who belonged to that wing of the Socialist party, was crazy.

You say I've been called a “patrician reformer.” I never heard that expression. There is no doubt that there was a reform movement that was responsible for all early social work in the USA, that had no economic theory whatever. All social improvements in this country, and I hold this to be definitely true, have sprung from the middle classes - the intellectual, comfortable middle classes - and not from any theory of economics or any revolutionary movement, but from a kind of a basic inheritance going back to the earliest days of equality in the democratic sense between all citizens,





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