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social work organizations didn't have many professionals or members. It was a wonderful experience for anybody who got into social work because you did everything - you raised the money, you made the speeches to the membership, you got out the publicity, you gave interviews, you wrote letters, you thought up and devised the programs and made a monthly report to the monthly meeting of the directors, which was always a full attendance. I never went to one that everybody wasn't there. You also hired the help such as they were, trained them, and directed them. You didn't have much help - you might have one investigator, one stenographer, and sometimes a messenger. You arranged the cooperation with the political forces.

For instance, if a bill was to be introduced you went and got a proper bill drafted - I don't think there was a bill drafting division at Columbia at that time. That came soon after and all the later legislation we had Joseph Chamberlain and Noel Dowling to help us. At that time I'm sure there was not such a service and we fell back on our own lawyers, one of whom was Mr. Joseph Choate, and another of whom was Mr. George Alger.

Mr. Choate and Mr. Alger would help us in preparing the legislation. That was very good experience for me