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were splendid. He was a social worker photographer. The exhibit in the National History Museum on population problems in New York City which Ben Marsh sort of ran was photographed by Hines. He took all the Consumers' League and Child Labor photographs for that. All the social agencies including Hammond House contributed to that.

It was a stirring time. Everybody had read How the Other Half Lives. Everybody had read Richard Watson Gilder's great poem - “Guardian of our Sacred Trust.” Of course the Dinwiddies were always talking about the terrible conditions of the tenements. Mr. Veiller was around, the tenement house law had been passed, and the Tenement House Department had been established. I knew a number of social workers who had volunteered to go and be tenement house inspectors under Veiller's prodding. So that housing was very much in the foreground of our minds as to what the hazards of bad housing were and so forth.

The things that impressed me about Al Smith were his deep sincerity; that he had no pretenses in him; that if he was interested, he was really interested - he just wasn't putting on a show. But although he had grown up in the slums, as he always claimed, he hadn't noticed them much. He hadn't thought of the connection between poverty, industry