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you get there and you have somebody to whom you've paid a hundred dollars or more for railroad fare to get them out there. When you do get there you've got the hall full of convinced Democrats who couldn't be persuaded to vote any other way anyhow.

Mrs. Roosevelt was very good about persuading them to change. She was very good about getting money out of strange and new people.

I remember Louis Howe at that time, more or less. He was around. He was sour. I don't know what he was doing. I guess he was in the publicity department of the Davis campaign. I saw him at headquarters, but not very intimately. I think he was probably on the road along with Charles Michaelson. I don't know what he was doing in the New York State part of the campaign. I don't remember at all.

Frankly, I did more in the New York State than I did in the national. Mrs. Roosevelt was effective at National Headquarters, but she was also on the Woman's Committee of the State Committee in the '24 campaign. She was very good at organizing and she and Mrs. Moskowitz were very, very good teammates. They went together extremely well. Most of the other women I have mentioned also did most of their work in the State of New York, although some of them went out into the country.