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The Southerners were the ones I had to deal with. They were the people I had to explain these matters to. I had to explain the Social Security Act to Congressman Robert L. Doughton, who was the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. He was the most ardent supporter of the Social Security Act. He was very ardent for it. He didn't fully understand it. He never fully understood it. He was so full of aspiration - prune juice as we used to call it - and he believed in it that he wanted to put it over. He couldn't answer the questions that were asked from the floor. We'd done some very good educational work in advance on every member of the House, but they still found their way to their feet to ask questions that hadn't been answered privately. Doughton couldn't answer the questions. He couldn't think of the answers. He wasn't quick enough. It was a field completely outside of his experience. He's now (1952) about eighty-four years old and has just announced that he won't run for reelection. He was a pretty elderly party from the uplands of North Carolina. He came from a little mountain farm way up in the sticks. He had risen to be Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee by seniority. He was an intelligent man, but he'd never even heard about such things as the ones we were talking about. He had heard about unemployment only a little by reading the New York