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you can come and work. You've got some interesting work to do and it's an interesting education.” She had done some work in there. Her instincts were in that direction. She was one of the first to associate herself with this idea that everybody ought to do some social work and ought to make some contribution to the life of the community and the poorer people in it.

I think Mrs. Roosevelt would have developed by the mere passage of time and the ordinary troubles of life, probably, although you never can tell. She might have gone off into some purely personal professional activity. I knew her in 1920, but only socially. I can't remember whether she was at San Francisco or not. I think she was. I'm pretty sure she was there. There were a lot of Cabinet wives and little Cabinet wives there. I know that Mrs. Baker was there. I know that Mrs. Mitchell Palmer was there - a beautiful woman, perfectly beautiful, perfectly stylish and very handsome. Frank and Lily Polk were there and were great friends of mine. I'm not sure that Mrs. Roosevelt stayed throughout, but I'm pretty sure she was there for the opening period.

I had met Mary Harriman socially, as one meets most people. I also saw her in Paris when she and her husband, Charles C. Rumsey, were first married. He was an artist and a sculptor. He was working in Paris and we used to meet