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that he had thought of and it was a natural.

He had not, sometimes, always thought of these things that she fixed up. They were good things. I don't think she ever gave him a bit of advice, or prepared anything for him, that was not good both for him and for the people of the State of New York. I never saw anything done that wasn't, but many things were done into which his mentality and personality did not enter.

Mrs. Roosevelt had been shrewd enough to see that. She had seen how Mrs. Moskowitz operated with all, having worked with her. They worked very intimately in the campaigns. Their desks were right beside each other. It was a daily, hourly contact for weeks together, and about matters of great importance. There would be So-and-so who ought to give some money, but hadn't. Mrs. Moskowitz would make a plan for the approach to that person, not directly, but indirectly. She would think it all out carefully as to who was who, who would speak to who, and who would bring about a situation where after a chain of events an individual who was almost unanswerable to the person who was being approached would do the asking. It was never meant to be anything but good.

She probably did grasp for power and she did love the recognition and the realization that she, herself, had





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