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with ‘such and such' methods these things could be put into operation after legal consideration, the action of the Legislature....”

It's a wonderful way to do. Bruere and I were both pleased with the way it worked. I have one of those retentive memories that can hold, at least for a couple of hours, if I put my mind on it, and jot down just a few guideposts for myself, practically what's been said. By summing it up you eliminate the quarrels that have taken place, which often didn't mean anything, but the labor leader of Utica would rise and say, “We've got a lot of skunks here among the employers. They think they know everything. They like to see us sweating. They like to see a bread line.” Well, when you came to sum up, you didn't have to say that because that didn't have anything to do with the case. He let off his steam, but it didn't enter into the final idea, which was that they all wished something could be done.

I don't remember Hopkins going on that tour, but it was after that that we published our report. Before we published our report there was a meeting of the Governors of several states. I'd gotten interested in interstate compacts. I don't know how I got it though it might have been Gifford Pinchot. I couldn't have gotten it independently