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bad time to do new things, I suppose, because everybody is so poor and there isn't any money, but something can be done.” I remember that there was this sense that something was going to happen. There were two competent, reliable government bureau heads in the field of social welfare.

When I saw what her audience was, I thought it was strangely chosen, because in addition to the regular women's organizations that are called in for a conference, there were an awful lot of newspaper women there, and there were a number of members of Congress there. Quite a few members of Congress were there by invitation of Grace Abbott.

My memory is that she also had told me that at a certain hour we were to go up on the Hill to see Senator Edward P. Costigan, and three or four other Senators, that she had lined up. I recognized all this as proper lobbying. She was lobbying for some ideas that she hoped would be introduced in bills in the course of the session. She used any new face, or any new personality, to open up the subject with them. She said, “Now, you tell Senator Costigan about the hardships to which children were subjected and what can be done to improve the whole situation of unemployment.” I remember thinking, “Grace Abbott is a smart woman.”

Then I was surprised at the number of newspaper people present. In New York we never asked newspaper people to